tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post8100040641568812603..comments2023-11-05T02:55:10.230-06:00Comments on Gottesdienst Online: MegaScamPr. H. R.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16756503062523543708noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-22810917663381958672012-04-13T10:08:48.216-05:002012-04-13T10:08:48.216-05:00What will it turn out to be in the future? A bigge...<i>What will it turn out to be in the future? A bigger problem than the one it was designed to solve, that's what. TW </i><br /><br />Dr. Hemplemann was also behind getting it passed in 2007. I remember Pr. Dissen telling them at the Floor Committee meeting that they now had two greased pigs to deal with. Dr. Hemplemann did admit that SMP was only a means to get ordained men into the pulpits.Timothy C. Schenkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11770741345144496175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-63742916782023730862012-04-13T09:50:10.156-05:002012-04-13T09:50:10.156-05:00Pr. Curtis,
I am not a pastor or a father of any ...Pr. Curtis,<br /><br />I am not a pastor or a father of any children.<br /><br />Mr. SchenksTimothy C. Schenkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11770741345144496175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-90222487266509156482012-04-04T01:10:27.500-05:002012-04-04T01:10:27.500-05:00In SMP a person becomes a Vicar "upon matricu...In SMP a person becomes a Vicar "upon matriculation". Thus he is enabled to preach and in some circumstances preside over the Eucharist BEFORE he has even logged on to his first internet class.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04351586738869558601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-72417799829760466902012-04-04T01:07:41.619-05:002012-04-04T01:07:41.619-05:00SMP is nothing less than 1/2 of DELTO.SMP is nothing less than 1/2 of DELTO.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04351586738869558601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-54963570193369983132012-01-24T04:30:58.623-06:002012-01-24T04:30:58.623-06:00"And there are still countless lay ministers ..."And there are still countless lay ministers out there."<br /><br />According to the LCMS website there are 153 commissioned lay ministers.<br /><br />http://www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=965<br /><br />From the same document we see that there are 9,632 clergy persons, 5,550 of whom are serving in our 6,162 parishes. If we could assume that the number of multi-pastor parishes evenly balances out the number of multi-parish pastors (which is probably not a safe assumption, but I have no other data to offer) that means that there are 612 congregations that are not being served by a pastor. That's 10% of our parishes that do not have a pastor to call their own.<br /><br />Again, I'm sure that number is not entirely accurate, but at least it's a starting point until more accurate numbers are made available.Josh Osbunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17906913610780375868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-24596446127923553822012-01-23T22:13:48.834-06:002012-01-23T22:13:48.834-06:00TW - you got it spot on my friend.TW - you got it spot on my friend.Pr. H. R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16756503062523543708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-77488623347524253122012-01-23T17:48:36.412-06:002012-01-23T17:48:36.412-06:00SMP was presented as a way of providing pastors to...SMP was presented as a way of providing pastors to small congregations that had no pastor. <br /><br />It quickly became a way of providing pastors to large multi-pastor congregations that want to "roll their own" and circumvent the Seminaries as much as they can. <br /><br />What will it turn out to be in the future? A bigger problem than the one it was designed to solve, that's what. TWTodd Wilkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470378774431406044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-47336734652722010852012-01-23T07:33:41.779-06:002012-01-23T07:33:41.779-06:00Fr. Alde,
Who said that was a purpose? That was a...Fr. Alde,<br /><br />Who said that was a purpose? That was a *wish*. The convention in 2007 specifically turned down a resolution on the floor that would have required just that. There is no requirement on paper anywhere that lay ministry programs be folded in to SMP. So long as that is nowhere on paper, it is nothing beyond fond wishing. Lay ministry continues apace. . . <br /><br />+HRCPr. H. R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16756503062523543708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-3156010232057908892012-01-23T07:02:42.426-06:002012-01-23T07:02:42.426-06:00Fr Curtis,
Fr Brown is right that that was one of...Fr Curtis,<br /><br />Fr Brown is right that that was one of the purposes. I remember someone from on high saying as much. Whether it panned out is a different story. <br /><br />I think one of the harder problems with removing SMP is the fact that we now have 100 guys paying the seminary big money, yet the seminary doesn't have to house or feed them, and the classes have already been taped. They just need to have a prof organize an online forum, and bring the students in a couple times a year for intensives. This has got to be cheaper for both sides of the equation.<br /><br />Couple this with the (obviously) smaller resident population, and seminaries that hired more profs when they had the large classes, and it makes for something that is very easy for the seminaries to officially lament, but never really push for fixing. You were correct a while back -- funding of the seminaries is probably the main issue around several messes. Whoever gives them the money can make suggestions that will be listened to.scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341565491215527784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-76389735290446776002012-01-22T21:54:11.683-06:002012-01-22T21:54:11.683-06:00Fr. Brown,
No, I don't think this was either ...Fr. Brown,<br /><br />No, I don't think this was either the purpose or the result. <br /><br />The districts still have lay ministry programs - especially NWD, NED, and KSD. And there are still countless lay ministers out there. <br /><br />SMP is being widely utilized by big churches that want to train up their own assistants from within the organization. <br /><br />It's not curbing "lay ministry," it's creating a less than fully educated underclass of pastor, and it's allowing larger suburban parishes to hand pick their assistant pastors while isolating them from the Synod as a whole. Unwise from top to bottom.<br /><br />+HRCPr. H. R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16756503062523543708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-12960881374707421792012-01-21T08:34:30.012-06:002012-01-21T08:34:30.012-06:00The actual purpose of SMP was to take the individu...The actual purpose of SMP was to take the individual districts and their "lay ministry programs" and at least get them under some sort of Seminary oversight. I think it has done this rather well... I don't think many districts are doing things on their own... thus, it's main job has run its course.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-48548394578343799242012-01-21T08:27:18.105-06:002012-01-21T08:27:18.105-06:00Fr. Schenks,
2007 was a different time in the LCM...Fr. Schenks,<br /><br />2007 was a different time in the LCMS and Rast was in a different position. I give him credit that now that he is the man where the buck stops, he is taking a lead in supporting full seminary education as opposed to SMP. <br /><br />K - Rossow has the quote over at Steadfastlutherans: http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=16670Pr. H. R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16756503062523543708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-23330651977003045572012-01-21T07:14:28.034-06:002012-01-21T07:14:28.034-06:00What did Rast say?What did Rast say?Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09438549039834186126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-51895483407672451212012-01-21T04:14:58.762-06:002012-01-21T04:14:58.762-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.+ Robert Wursthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008815491725578262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778905687600416321.post-70714155252818711832012-01-21T00:38:21.494-06:002012-01-21T00:38:21.494-06:00Why is Dr. Rast speaking up NOW when he was partia...Why is Dr. Rast speaking up NOW when he was partially responsible for getting SMPP passed in the first place? I remember seeing him up there up on the stage in Houston 2007. In fact, I took a picture of it.Timothy C. Schenkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11770741345144496175noreply@blogger.com